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Plato
Dialogos
Title: Dialogos
Author: Plato
Format: Paperback
Language: Spanish
Pages: 164
Publisher: , 0
ISBN: 1583487883
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This book is written in Spanish. Platón es uno de los más grandes pensadores que ha tenido la
Humanidad, y con Aristóteles, la más alta representación de la filosofía helénica; vivió durante
el último tercio del siglo V y la primera mitad del IV a. d.C.Cerecemos de datos biográficos
fiables y existe mucha leyenda sobre su persona, aunque sí sabemos que fue discípulo de
Sócrates. Tnato veneró al maestro que le utilizó como locutor principal de sus escritos. En esta
obra Platón presenta sus rasgos más geniales: brillantez en la forma, gracia en la expresió y un
original y profundo pensamiento que configura por esencia los perímetros básicos de la cultura
de Occidente.
Insightful reviews
Majormarmot: En la que es posiblemente la madre de todas las obras filosóficas occidentales,
Platón nos muestra en entretenidos diálogos la ideología de su maestro Sócrates, junto con su
propia visión del mundo.
Los diálogos permiten apreciar las legendarias discusiones…dije discusiones…debí decir,
humillaciones, de Sócrates sobre los sofistas, lo que le da cierta acción a una obra que por lo
contrario sería bastante tediosa y cansada.
El objetivo del autor es mostrar al lector una serie de dilemas morales y filosóficos mediante el
uso de la dialéctica, que según la academia, permite que el alma aflore estas ideas tan
profundas en naturaleza.
Lo curioso es que en uno de estos diálogos Sócrates asegura que uno no puede aprender
nada de los libros, ya que estos sólo ayudan a recordar lo que uno había aprendido de un
maestro. Entonces uno se pregunta. ¿Realmente es posible el obtener conocimiento de este
libro cuando él mismo niega que sea posible?
M.J. Mandoki: This is a classic and the corner stone of western philosophy. The book is easy to
understand and follows a conversational style. I have to remind people, though, that this book
cannot be read fast. It requires a lot of thinking and reflection to be truly appreciated.
Gerald Jerome: This is a decent compilation and intro to some of Plato's dialogues, though The
Republic has been reduced to some of its truncated and finer points. One may not always agree
with its conclusions, but the most important thing is that the question was raised. The Socratic
method is certainly a worthwhile tool for educating one's self as well as cultivating
understanding in others. Even so, as evidenced in these dialogues, it can be easily misapplied
(assuming that an objective truth is the goal and not persuasion). These dialogues are best read
as a consideration of the ideas themselves, the method used to reach them, and the literary
mode in which they are delivered. Appraisals beyond this, step into a murky territory.
It's difficult to separate how much of this is the true words of Socrates and how much Plato is
using a fictional Socrates to espouse his own views. There's also the issue of Plato's idolization
of Socrates, as well as the idolatry of Socrates' interlocutors (whether in truth or fiction). They
seem all to eager to agree with Socrates and frequently continue further that there is no
possible alternative to his conclusions. This may be due in part to the flawed and closed manner
in which Socrates often presents his case.
What we see unfold before us is actually an illusion of dialogue. The opportunity for contribution
is often a request by Socrates for yea or nay of an irrefutably true statement. However, this
statement is often conveniently appended to a previous line of allegations. When answering
"yea" to the final conclusion, one affirms all that came before it. The loaded question is just one
of many rhetorical (and fallacious or misleading) devices employed throughout the dialogues.
There is also the false analogy in which two scenarios or concepts are presented to be more
alike than they actually are. Often times in the longest of Socrates' arguments, you will find that
he draws the point of an assertion so far out in a string of abstractions until the original form of
the argument is no longer recognizable and can therefore be easily refuted or supported
(depending upon the need of the moment). His humility and nobility in all of this is sometimes
brought into question, as it may be wondered whether he was aware of his misleading manner
or if he himself was fooled through such convolution.
It is apt that Socrates was so occupied by opposites, as he is the fool that is enlightened and
the following interrogator that guides through inquiry. Socrates often claims to be wise from his
reverence for his ignorance, though there is the sense that he utilizes a feigned humility as a
masked outlet for elitism. His questions are more akin to a breadcrumb trail of assertions,
leading the interrogated participant to what he already believes to be right. Socrates wins
arguments not of logic, but of words. It's interesting that both he and Plato attempt to remove
themselves from sophistry when so much of such tactics seem to be embedded in their work.
Perhaps these dialogues are better viewed as a transitory step from sophistry into something
greater.
All in all, it is a gripping read, both dramatically and philosophically. Many core beliefs commonly
taken for granted are explored and there are some really interesting and thought-provoking
conclusions reached. These dialogues help to foster appreciation of the art of inquiry, as well as
the dark side of cross-examination. Witnessing how so many "foundational truths" (themselves
shaped by contemporary values and beliefs), were taken as self-evident by a group of learned
thinkers can broaden the self-awareness of the modern reader. Many a difficult subject was
tackled and there was more done in these dialogues than many can claim to have penetrated
within their daily meditations. It is understandable that such early prodding would meet eventual
criticism and it should not take away from its contributions to future thought. I may sound like I
gripe a lot about Socrates but I feel that people are so enamored by his notoriety and impact on
thought that they overlook the ostensible purpose of his questioning: to think critically for one's
self and ask questions against what one assumes to be true. Even Socrates' arguments should
not be taken for granted. In closing, I think Adeimantus summed it up best (minus the part about
philosophers being useless):
"To these statements, Socrates, no one can offer a reply; but when you talk in this way, a
strange feeling passes over the minds of your hearers: They fancy that they are led astray a
little at each step in the argument, owing to their own want of skill in asking and answering
questions; these littles accumulate, and at the end of the discussion they are found to have
sustained a mighty overthrow and all their former notions appear to be turned upside down. And
as unskilful players of draughts are at last shut up by their more skilful adversaries and have no
piece to move, so they too find themselves shut up at last; for they have nothing to say in this
new game of which words are the counters; and yet all the time they are in the right. The
observation is suggested to me by what is now occurring. For any one of us might say, that
although in words he is not able to meet you at each step of the argument, he sees as a fact
that the votaries of philosophy, when they carry on the study, not only in youth as a part of
education, but as the pursuit of their maturer years, most of them become strange monsters, not
to say utter rogues, and that those who may be considered the best of them are made useless
to the world by the very study which you extol. " - The Republic
Rebecca: Does it count number if i've been studying it for a decade or more? It places me to
sleep (perhaps simply because I learn it earlier than bed), and that i disagree with Socrates'
conclusions on nearly everything. it's occasionally funny.Socrates makes blanket statements
approximately humanity, and continuously convinces his directly guy that he's correct, however
it sounds like sophistry. His generalizations are beliefs yet no longer truly true. Whomever he's
conversing with often makes generalizations that aren't true, either, yet he (non-Socrates)
consistently bows down in spite of everything to Socrates' position, most likely simply because
he's uninterested in the dialogue and simply desires to finish it. I think that Socrates used to be
an incredibly stressful person. Useful, yet annoying. However, although I disagree with S. on
just about all his conclusions, i love his skill to wear out his opponent with out resorting to
violence. the ultimate discussion during this incomplete choice of the Dialogues has a piquancy,
with Socrates agreeing with Callicles that he, Socrates, will likely be arrested and tried, and
should be positioned to death, simply because he'll haven't any security to offer, even if the
costs may be untrue. He looked as if it would were talking of the overall future, instead of the
immediate, particular future. beautiful insightful of him. He lived what he preached.Since it took
10 years or so as to learn this book, now i must begin over, simply because I put out of your
mind the beginning. the interpretation was once very readable.
Hdrabczy: Dialogi s? moim zdaniem nierówne - rozwa?ania na tematy spo?eczne i
mi?dzyludzkie (mi?o??, dzielno??, powinno?? wobec pa?stwa), obrona Sokratesa - s? ?wietne,
zarówno ze wzgl?du na tre?? jak i sposób prowadzenia wywodu.Pojawiaj?ce si? w dalszych
dialogach rozwa?ania dotycz?ce powstania i natury wszech?wiata, "historii" Hellenów s?
niestety m?tne i id? w kierunku mitów.Jako ciekawostk? mo?na zwróci? uwag? na
prawdopodobnie najstarsz? wzmiank? o zatopionej Atlantydzie.
Carlos Arizpe: Lo leí a raíz de una clase de ética en l. a. Facultad. Una de las pocas cosas
buenas que hice por motivos escolares. ¿Que puedo decir de este libro? Ademas de que esta
lleno de retorica bonita que no sirve para nada, pero no por eso deja de ser sumamente
divertido. Es de esos libros que se deberían leer siendo adolescente, no como yo.
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