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Saint Augustine Cathedral
Twenty-eighth Sunday in Ordinary Time
October 11, 2015
Parish Mission Statement
Inside This Issue:
The Catholic Community of St. Augustine Cathedral,
nourished by the Eucharist and guided by the Holy Spirit
are sent forth to proclaim the Good News of God’s love for
all people.
As a Parish Community we will put this into action by
continuously developing a Pastoral Program that reaches
out to meet the needs of our Parishioners and community.
Weekly Parish Information
2-3
Liturgical4-5
Prayer List
5
Parish News
6-7
Diocese News
7-8
World News
9
Feature Article: “ Wall Street’s Take On Pope
Francis”
192 S. Stone Ave. • Tucson, Arizona 85701 • Tel (520) 623-6351 • Fax (520) 623-0088 • cathedral-staugustine.org
Parish Office Hours: Monday - Thursday 9 - 5 / Friday 9 - 4
ST. AUGUSTINE CATHEDRAL
CLERGY & STAFF DIRECTORY
Rector: Rev. Gonzalo Villegasx115
Parochial Vicar:
Rev. Showri Raju Narra
x117
Capuchin Priests: Rev. Robert Kose • Rev. John Francis Samsa
Deacons:
Keating Ackerley • Salvador Carmona,
Charles Gallegos • Jesse Soto
Office Manager: Margie Marrufo
x102
Secretary: Norma Madril
x101
Receptionist: Cecilia Metzx118
Compliance Officer: Terry Gill
x116
Diocesan & Cathedral Director of Music:
Carlos Zapienx114
Maintenance: Gloria Ramos • Cecilia Metz
Nick Gomez
Rectory Staff Cook:
Rectory Housekeeper: Norma Pinedo
Bulletin & Website Editor: Patty Alcala
ORGANIZATIONS &
COMMITTEES
Altar Server Society: Sylvia Kamei &
Sandra Smith
Docent/Hospitality: Leilani Gomez
Eucharistic Ministers: Liz Aguallo
Events Fundraising: Leilani Gomez
Finance Council: Joe Ladenburg
Guadalupanos: Juan Carlos Martinez
Keep Cathedral Grounds Beautiful: John Jacome
Knights of Columbus: John Badilla
Pastoral Council: Liz Aguallo
RCIA:Deacon Charles
Gallegos &
Gene Benton
St. Vincent de Paul: Justin Castillo
Usher Society:
Luis E. Kamei
Youth Group:
Matt Yanez & Ariana Varelas
REGULAR MASS SCHEDULE
Saturday
5:30 pm
English Vigil Mass - Organist
(Fulfills Sunday obligation)
Sunday
6:30 am
8:00 am
10:00 am
12:00 pm
5:30 pm
English Mass - No Music
Spanish Mass - Mariachi
English Mass - Choir
English Mass - Choir
Spanish Mass - Coro
Weekday English Masses
7:00 am & 12:00 pm Monday - Friday
Holy Days (except Christmas & New Years)
7:00 am
12:00 pm
5:30 pm
English Mass
English Mass
Spanish Mass
Sacrament of Penance
3:30 pm to 4:30 pm Saturday
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COLLECTIONS
September 27, 2015
Sunday Collection Received:
$6,991.79
2nd Collect: $1,520.61
10/17 2nd Collection: World Mission
Thank you for your continued and
generous support of our parish.
God bless you!
SAINTS AND SPECIAL
OBSERVANCES
Sunday:
Monday:
Wednesday:
Thursday:
Friday:
Saturday:
Twenty-eighth Sunday in Ordinary
Time; National Children’s Day
Columbus Day
St. Callistus I
St. Teresa of Jesus
St. Hedwig; St. Margaret Mary
Alacoque; National Boss Day
St. Ignatius of Antioch; Sweetest Day
PARISH INFORMATION
THIS WEEK IN THE PARISH
Sunday/Domingo10/11/15
6:30 am
8:00 am
10:00 am
10:00 am
12:00 pm
1:00 pm
1:30 pm
5:30 pm
6:30 pm
English Mass People of the Parish
Spanish Mass Steven Barrios
English Mass †Johnny, Juan, Lupe Bracamonte
RECEPTION & PHOTOS WITH BISHOP KICANAS
English Mass †Johnny Massy
MARRIAGE ANNIVERSARY MASS - BISHOP KICANAS
SPANISH BAPTISMS
Spanish Mass †Jose Carlos “JC” Gonzalez
YOUTH GROUP IN SO. MTG ROOM OF HALL
Monday/Lunes 7:00 am
12:00 pm
1:00 pm
6:30 pm
ALL WEEK
COLUMBUS DAY
Daily English Mass †Bindi Rodriguez
Daily English Mass
†Margie Sanchez
CHURCH CLOSED
GUADALUPANO’S MEETING IN SO. ROOM
NO CATECHISM DUE TO FALL BREAK (see calendar online)
Tuesday/Martes
7:00 am
12:00 pm
1:00 pm
6:30 pm
10/12/15
10/13/15
Daily English Mass
†Erlinda G. Gutierrez
Daily English Mass
Virginia Doe
CHURCH CLOSED
CONCERT SERIES - LET BEAUTY AWAKE
Wednesday/Miercoles10/14/15
7:00 am
12:00 pm
9-11:30 am
6:30 pm
Daily English Mass
Gill Family
Daily English Mass
†Patrick Foley
CHURCH CLOSED
K OF C MEETING IN DINING ROOM
Thursday/Jueves
7:00 am
12:00 pm
6:00 pm
6:00 pm
10/15/15
Daily English Mass
Health of Irma Carmona
Daily English Mass †Rudy Valenzuela Birthday
ADULT BIBLE STUDY IN SO. MTG ROOM OF HALL
ALTAR SERVER TRAINING
Friday/Viernes
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BULLETIN
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company in our Bulletin,
please contact
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10/16/15
7:00 am
Daily English Mass
†Rudy Valenzuela
Birthday
12:00 pm
Daily English Mass
†Steven Cardenas &
Xzaiden
Saturday/Sabado
5:30 pm
7:00 pm
10/17/15
English Vigil Mass
†Alicia Mendez
ENGLISH BAPTISM CLASS
PARISH INFORMATION
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TWENTY-EIGHTH SUNDAY
IN ORDINARY TIME
OCTOBER 11, 2015
The word of God is living and effective,
sharper than any two-edged sword.
— Hebrews 4:12a
TODAY’S READINGS
First Reading — I pleaded, and the spirit of
wisdom came to me. All good things together
came to me in her company (Wisdom 7:7-11).
Psalm — Fill us with your love, O Lord, and we will
sing for joy! (Psalm 90).
Second Reading — Indeed the word of God is
living and effective (Hebrews 4:12-13).
Gospel — It is easier for a camel to pass through
the eye of a needle than for one who is rich to
enter the kingdom of God (Mark 10:17-30 [17-27]).
The English translation of the Psalm Responses from the Lectionary for Mass © 1969, 1981, 1997,
International Commission on English in the Liturgy Corporation. All rights reserved.
READINGS FOR THE WEEK
LOS DISCÍPULOS Y LA
RIQUEZA
A veces creemos que tener riquezas materiales es
algo malo. Nos convencemos a nosotros mismos
que los pobres son los más favorecidos. En las
lecturas de hoy, descubrimos que las riquezas
materiales no son lo único que nos impide ser
discípulos. Ya veremos que hay otros dones más
importantes que esas riquezas. Pero así todo, lo que
más importa es el uso que hacemos de nuestros
dones.
Las Escrituras de hoy señalan el valor de los dones
de la sabiduría, la confianza en Dios y una cualidad
que permite que nuestras acciones reflejen el amor
de Dios que llevamos en nuestro interior. No es
el oro lo que nos hace tropezar, sino el desear el
oro por encima de todo lo demás. En las lecturas
de la Sabiduría y Hebreos, descubrimos la fuente
de los dones de Dios en nuestra vida. La sabiduría
vale mucho más que las posesiones materiales. En
Hebreos, se nos motiva a examinar nuestros valores
y a reconocer con honestidad qué es lo que rige
nuestra vida. Copyright © J. S. Paluch Co.
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Monday:
Rom 1:1-7; Ps 98:1-4; Lk 11:29-32
Tuesday:
Rom 1:16-25; Ps 19:2-5; Lk 11:37-41
Wednesday: Rom 2:1-11; Ps 62:2-3, 6-7, 9;
Lk 11:42-46
Thursday:
Rom 3:21-30; Ps 130:1b-6ab;
Lk 11:47-54
Friday:
Rom 4:1-8; Ps 32:1b-2, 5, 11; Lk 12:1-7
Saturday:
Rom 4:13, 16-18; Ps 105:6-9, 42-43;
Lk 12:8-12
Sunday:
Is 53:10-11; Ps 33:4-5, 18-20, 22;
Heb 4:14-16; Mk 10:35-45 [42-45]
TREASURES FROM OUR
TRADITION
How did the church dealt with “daily sins” in the
first five centuries? As devout and observant as
they were, our early fathers and mothers in faith
could not have been all that different from us.
Maybe they looked the other way when the grocer
threw an extra fig in the shopping basket, or had a
wandering eye for the widow next door, or had a
taste for too much ale, or didn’t let the truth get in
the way of a good story. First of all, there was the
Eucharist. The words are familiar: “This is the cup
of my blood, poured out for the forgiveness of sin.”
Especially by participating in Communion from
the cup, forgiveness was achieved. Eucharist was,
and remains, the sacrament of reconciliation par
excellence, the sign and source of unity with Christ.
LITURGICAL
There were other helps along the way: “fraternal”
correction, or the course corrections we offer
one another in love, prayer, fasting, works of
mercy. St. Augustine listed endurance of suffering,
forgiveness of insults, and added the praying of the
Lord’s Prayer in the liturgy. He felt that the public
praying of the Our Father on Sunday and its daily
use in private prayer was an essential remedy and
the reason why everyone was not a candidate for
canonical penance. Inherited from Augustine’s
practice, the Lord’s Prayer in our Communion
Rite still has the same purpose, preparing us for
receiving and becoming the Body of Christ.
—Rev. James Field, Copyright © J. S. Paluch Co.
REFLEXIONEMOS SOBRE LA
PALABRA DE DIOS
Cuando el joven rico en el Evangelio de esta semana
le pregunta a Jesús qué debe hacer para alcanzar la
vida eterna la respuesta es sencillamente “nada”. O
diciéndolo con otras palabras, “No tienes que hacer
nada para ganártela; sencillamente no hagas nada
que le ponga obstáculos. No mates, no cometas
adulterio, no robes, no mientas, no defraudes, ni
hagas ninguna otra cosa que tienda a enturbiar el
epicentro de nuestra vida”. Parece que no tenemos
que hacer más nada que eso. Pero el joven dice que
ya él ha evitado todas esas cosas. Y la respuesta que
le ofrece Jesús es, en efecto, que tampoco deje que
sus riquezas le obstaculicen el camino.
Pero del dicho al hecho hay
un gran trecho y el hecho es
más difícil de lo que podemos
imaginar. Más difícil que
ensartar una aguja con pelo
de camello cuando el pelo
todavía está en el camello; más
difícil que hacer que el camello entre en tu casa, ya
sea por la puertecita de tu mascota o por tu puerta
trasera, o ni aun por la puerta de tu cochera. Los
camellos no se encojen; ni tampoco nuestro apego
a las riquezas. Ambas cosas tienden a obstaculizar el
camino.
Entonces, ¿qué hacer?, nos preguntamos.
Curiosamente ésa era la misma pregunta también
en los tiempos de Jesús. Y a través de los siglos
los creyentes han buscado las maneras de poner
LITURGICAL
PLEASE PRAY FOR OUR
PARISHIONERS
Please call the office to remove your
loved one’s name when well. Thank you!
Cristen Aguirre
Francisca Aguirre
Margaret Aguirre
Esther Alba
Carlos Alegria
Ruben G. Amado
Rene Anaya
Altagracia Araiza Valdez
Lee Leon Baker
Ernesto Barnet
Benjamin F.A. Bicknese
Alma Caballero
Carmen Cardenas
Irma Carmona
Msgr. Arsenio Carrillo
Omar Casas Varela 11yrs
Javier Chavez
Eric Cline
Pete Confrey
Lourdes Cortez Hernandez
Edwin Demons
Lillian Doe
Vicki Duarte
Panchita Duran
Robert Elias
Diego & Nubia Federico
Jerry Federico
Evelyn Feyth Sausedo
Jose Fimbres
Jose Lluly Fimbres
Ursula Fimbres
Carmen FraIde
Maria Galvan
David Garcia
Roberto Grijalva
Daniel Harkey
Bertha Harper
Andy Heredias
Romelio Heredia
Ofelia Hernandez
Sonia Hernandez
Agustina Iñiguez
Jesus Jaquez
Jesus Jaquez, Jr.
Elliot Janacek
Robin Kirk
Denise Lara
Angelica Lopez
Dora Lopez
Curtis Lucas
Socorro Macedo
Javier Marrufo
Bertha Dolores Martinez
Jana Montione
Sara Miller Sidi
Denise Moreno
Julieta Moreno
Fernando Muñoz
Nuria’s Dad
Nancy O’Connor
Neal O’Connor
Carmen Pinedo
Mother Preciado
Edelina Quiroz
Maria Eugenia Ramirez
Victor Manuel Rendon
Fred Riesgo
Barbara Romero
Bertha Romero
Ed Romero
Leonel Romero
Jaime Roybal
Evelyn Sandoval
Maritza Silva
Millie Smith
Daniel Smyers
Cristen Soto Aguirre
Gracie Soto
Deacon Jesse Soto
Howard Spence
Christine Stern
Mary Stern
Joe Szleszinski
Amie Tetlowski
Barbara Valenzuela
Monica Verdugo
Teresa Verdugo
Rona Anne Ward
Lydia Yanez
Lessie Yang’s Mom
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las riquezas en perspectiva o al menos encontrar
cosas que ayuden a hacerlo. Sin embargo, todo lo
que hay que hacer es tratar de que haya los menos
obstáculos posibles en nuestro camino hacia el
encuentro con Dios, aun en medio de los revoltijos
de la vida.
—Padre Joseph J. Juknialis Copyright © 2014, World Library Publications. All rights reserved.
WONDERFUL MUSIC IN A
BEAUTIFUL, SACRED SPACE
Wonderful Music in a Beautiful, Sacred Space is
the theme of the 2015-2016 Cathedral Concert Series
set for St. Augustine Cathedral under the direction of
Carlos Zapien, St. Augustine Cathedral and Diocese
of Tucson Director of Music. All of the events are
scheduled for Tuesday evenings at 6:30 PM. The cost
is Student Donation of $10.00 and General donation
of $25.00. For tickets and other information contact
St. Augustine Cathedral 520-623-6353 or
www.tucsoncathedralconcerts.org
The FIRST EVENT is Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at
6:30 PM Let Beauty Awake with Jeremy Huw,
Baritone and Paula Fan, Pianist. They will offer
works by Finzi, Lauridses, Alwyn and Vaughn
Williams. The series continues with Duo Amabile, November
10, 2015 featuring Steven Moeckel, violin and Paul
Fan, Piano.
On Wings of Song, December 15, 2015 featuring
Carlos Zapién, Tenor and Alexandr Pashkov,
piano; Piano Recital, January 19, 2016 featuring
Claire Huangci, piano. The final event of the season is the Misa Criolla,
February 16, 2016 with the Cathedral and Community
Chorus with Jessica Pierpont, Conductor.
St. Augustine Cathedral
192 S. Stone Ave. Tucson, AZ 85701
520-623-6351
General Donation: $25
Student Donation: $10
www.tucsoncathedralconcerts.org
CATHEDRAL CONCERT
SERIES PRESENTS
LET BEAUTY AWAKE
Tuesday, October 13, 2015 - 6:30pm
at St. Augustine Cathedral
Jeremy Huw
Williams,
Baritone
Jeremy Hew Williams
is renowned as a
fine exponent of
contemporary music,
having commissioned
much new music and give premieres of new
works. He made his debut with Welsh National
Opera as Guglielmo (Cosi fan tutte) and has since
appeared in sixty operatic roles. He has given
performances at major venues in North and South
America, Australia, Hong Kong, and most European
countries.
Paula Fan,
Pianist
Pianist Paula Fan
has performed as
soloist and chamber
musician on five
continents. She has
recorded seventeen
albums and has broadcast for the BBC, NPR, Radio
Television China and other international stations.
She taught at the University of Arizona Fred Fox
School of Music for 40 years.
Works by Finzi, Lauridsen, Alwyn
& Vaughan Williams
LA GUÍA
Así como por la estrella del mar se
dirigen los navegantes al puerto, así
también los cristianos se dirigen a la
gloria por María.
—Santo Tomás de Aquino
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PARISH NEWS
HAVE YOU MOVED?
September 29, 2015
To the Catholic Faithful of St. Augustine Cathedral
Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ Jesus,
I am thankful for Fr. Vealumun Mom, V.C. service
the past year in your parish. He has served
faithfully. Fr. Mom will return to Nigeria with
new responsibilities in the leadership team of his
religious order, Via Christi Society. I know that the
parish will miss him when he leaves.
I am pleased to announce the appointment of Rev.
Showri Raju Narra as Parochial Vicar of your parish
effective September 29, 2015. Fr. Narra is a priest
from the Diocese of Guntur, India.
I know that you will welcome him with open arms
and that your prayers will be appreciated by both
Fr. Mom and Fr. narra as they take on their new
assignments and responsibilities.
Please be assured of my prayers for all of you as
well as for Fr. Mom and Fr. Narra.
LETTER FROM FR. MOM
To my beloved brothers and sisters, parishioners of St. Augustine
I would like to thank you all for the welcome I got from this blessed
comunity; for accepting me into this family and making me one of you.
My stay here at the cathedral was short but I enjoyed every second of it.
I am grateful to Bishop Kicanas, Fr. Gonzalo, our
wonderful Deacons, our beloved office staff, ministry
leaders, Knights of Columbus, United-in-Christ
Young Adult Group, Our Lady’s Mantle Youth
Group and all of you beautiful parishioners for giving
me the opportunity to serve this community. I will
continue to prayer for you and I also ask you to
pray for me in my new assignment.
May God our loving Father bless you all.
Fr. Mom
PARISH & DIOCESE NEWS
Do you have a new address, phone number or
family change? Updating this information helps
us serve the parish more effectively and saves on
the cost of returned postage. Please call the Parish
Office at 623-6351 to update your information.
ST. AUGUSTINE CATHEDRAL,
A SHINING JEWEL IN THE
DESERT
Tours of this beautiful cathedral and its grounds
are available by appointment. If you are interested
in bringing your students, youth groups, senior
citizen groups or civic groups, please contact
Leilani Gomez at 401-7577 for scheduling. Our
docents are prepared to take you back in history!
ST. AUGUSTINE GIFT SHOP
The St. Augustine Gift Shop in the Cathedral Office
has expanded their religious merchandise!
Come in and visit us.
MISSION SAN
XAVIER
DEL BAC
Become a Member of
Our Docent Team
The San Xavier Mission is seeking
volunteer docents. Upon completion of the
training program, docents will give tours and share
the history of the Mission with visitors from around
the world. Everyone is welcome.
Program and training information will be presented:
Oct. 14, 2015
10:00am
Mission San Xavier del Bac
St. Claire Room
If you are interested in becoming a docent, please
attend the meeting on October 14th, or you may
call or email for more information:
Sally @ 777-8143
Tom @ 284-2509
Email: www.patronatosanxavier.com
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WALL STREET’S TAKE ON
POPE FRANCIS
During a Random Walk on the Street,
Business People Give Candid Views of
Francis
Children wait quietly with their parents
at the Serbian border. The border marks
a divide between the life they once knew,
now tragically consumed by the war in the
Syria, and an uncertain future as refugees.
Despite their exhaustion from the perilous
journey from Syria to the edge of Europe,
families exude a sense of hopefulness.
Pope Francis has called us to be ‘neighbors’
and respond to our brothers and sisters in
need. Join Catholic Relief Services as we
respond to this crisis.
To learn more, please visit
crs.org/media-center/european-refugee-crisis-7-things-you-can-do-help
Your donations
alleviate suffering
and restore hope
for our brothers
and sisters.
Serving the Poor Globally
CRS.org
Serving the Poor in the U.S.
www.CatholicCharitiesUSA.org
POSITION
OPENINGS,
DIOCESE OF
TUCSON
The following vacant
positions within
the Diocese of
Tucson are available
as of 9/14/15. Visit the
employment page on diocesetucson.org for job
descriptions and information on how to apply.
Parishes:
• St. Margaret Alocoque Parish - Parish Secretary
(Part-time)
Schools:
• St. Cyril Catholic School - Maintenance
Technician II
• Santa Cruz Catholic School - Business Manager
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“Pope Francis is awesome. He’s wonderful.” These
were the exact words of Joshua, a Jewish financier,
on Wall Street when asked his view of the Pope.
“You cannot fault someone for working toward
equality,” he noted, saying that the differences
between the privileged and those in severe
poverty should be examined.
Last week, ZENIT decided to see what Wall
Streeters had to say about the Pope who has been
vocal against capitalistic abuses. Despite what
some could speculate, the reaction of the people
selected at random to speak between Wall and
Broad Streets was overwhelmingly positive.
While some said they were just too busy to
respond, others were incredibly receptive. Terrence
works in marketing on Broad Street. As a Christian,
he said, Francis’ words “really speak to me.”
“Pope Francis says things for how they are,” he
noted, “and I like that.” Terrence also noted how
open Francis is to everyone and his attention to the
poor is worthy of imitation.
An Indian woman who works in finance at
Deutsche Bank and asked to remain nameless,
expressed that Pope Francis “has rightfully stirred
up the mentality of business professionals.”
She said, “It is clear to us that he criticizes when
people exploit others or use their power in ways
that are negative. For those in the business world,
who do their work and try their best, we don’t feel
offended. As Pope, he is a moral leader and needs
to call on everyone to do the right thing and help
the needy.”
When asked her thoughts about his time in the city,
she noted, “It’s a shame he can’t be here longer. We
can’t get off from work and it would probably do
everyone good to have a chance to listen!”
ZENIT came across a man walking very quickly.
Marty was an attorney for the Attorney General’s
office. When asked his thoughts about Pope
Francis, he responded with a beaming smile: “I am
a big fan,” he said.
DIOCESE & WORLD NEWS
THE REMARKABLE SALESMAN
Christopher Columbus was the world’s most remarkable
salesman. He started out not knowing where he was going.
When he arrived, he didn’t know where he was. And when he
returned, he didn’t know where he had been. And he did it
all on a big cash advance and he received a repeat order.
—Anonymous
In fact, he shared he was on his way to St. Patrick’s
Cathedral to see the Pontiff, just as he had done to
see Pope John Paul II when he visited the United
States.
Elsie, an Indonesian Catholic who works on 90
Broad Street, just down the street from the New
York Stock Exchange, noted how Francis speaks
about the immigrant, “and I am one.”
“He makes me feel welcome and loved,” she said
smiling.
“Pope Francis really touches the hearts of the
people,” she expressed when asked her thoughts
about him. She also pointed out how she
loves Pope Benedict and had been present at
Dunwoodie (St. Joseph’s Seminary in Yonkers, NY),
in 2008 when Pope Francis was at the youth rally.
Debbie, works in government and pointed out, “I
am from DC and can say he lit the place on fire.”
“After speaking to some of my colleagues after he
student planning to pursue corporate law in the
financial district. He said he didn’t have thoughts
about Pope Francis because he has not had the
time. “I only have to get done everything I have
to and then see how the Pope’s visit affects my
commute.”
“However,” he added, “if I had time, I really would
like to listen to his words. I think we all would learn
something.”
Down the street at Our Lady of Victory, the
Catholic Church in the heart of the financial district,
Catholics were praying for the Holy Father’s visit to
their city. On the way out, the faithful shared with
ZENIT how blessed they felt to have the Pope in
New York and how they
always pray for him.
New York City, October 1, 2015 (ZENIT.org)
Deborah Castellano Lubov
| © Innovative Media Inc.
The world tells us to seek success,
power & money;
God tells us to seek humility, service
& love.
– Pope Francis
spoke to Congress, they told me how much people
want to enrich their lives and be better overall.” She
told us she was in the financial district for business
meetings, but noted that she senses the same
reaction to the Pope in the city.
“People can’t stop talking about him. Francis is
refreshing and does right to call those who are
unethical or who abuse the system out on their
actions,” she said. “I am not Catholic, but he is
simply great.”
Another person ZENIT spoke to was a law
WORLD NEWS
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